Rob ([info]robyrt) wrote,
@ 2008-05-21 15:54:00
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The Affairs of Men
New York magazine's latest headline-grabbing article details the author's longing for commitment-free, casual sex while his wife is at home doing the dishes. Full of anecdotal evidence, it seems to be a genuinely questioning essay until he looks outside of his 50-year-old-men comfort zone and asks his wife about the whole thing:
When I got back from the Kinsey Institute, I told my wife all about the evolutionary data and Erick Janssen’s questionnaire, and she got agitated. “Okay. Let’s have an open marriage. And I have to be out Wednesday night.”

I said, No thanks.
Whoops! Guess you aren't the vanguard of sexual liberation anymore! He ends on this 'happy note':
A relationship is a myth you create with each other. It isn’t necessarily true, but it’s meaningful. The key to that myth is that the other person is enough for you. You know in your head that another person isn’t enough for you. But if you don’t honor the myth, then it crumbles.
Sounds like a great plan... if your relationship is a myth. Those of us in happy, fulfilled relationships beg to differ. The author is on a long, wordy quest to find out why he has these contradictory sexual desires. Because he can't stand taking advice from anyone who doesn't support his hypothesis, he ends up wandering in the wilderness, unable to find any real answers.

The comments provide an extremely varied range of opinions, in the same way that the South is extremely diverse. From one commenter, responding to the "You made a promise to be monogamous when you married her!" argument: "I don't think a promise not to sleep with other people is morally binding. I don't think promises and agreements that obstruct basic personal freedoms are valid."

From the very next commenter: "To think one can guarantee a sexual relationship will not become emotional, you're fooling yourself."

The comment I found most damning was a man who had been in a "polyamorous" marriage for years, then eventually found the woman of his dreams and is now happily monogamous. Guess what? He no longer has an uncontrollable desire to sleep with random babes, just like athletes can easily control their desires to eat a quart of ice cream. Imagine that!



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[info]krzhang
2008-05-22 08:41 pm UTC (link)
1) not all of us in happy, fulfilled relationships beg to differ. I don't, for one (I guess we can then argue the happy/fulfilledness of my relationship, though I kind of hope that I would have the best perspective =P)
2) the polygamous man's example isn't all that helpful if we look at a different datapoint, since I believe a man that just came out of monogamy into polygamy would have the exact opposite response (take any person you know who dropped out of a long-term relationship - they tend to be extremely disillusioned by love at that point). Anytime we make a drastic change of lifestyle, forced upon us or not, we love to fool ourselves into thinking that we have moved in the correct direction.

My hypothesis: the biggest problem with thinking of the relationship as a myth is not that it isn't true (I believe it to be myth though I happily indulge in it. I don't think there is anything wrong with believing in myths since we all have our own worldviews), but that most people who think they are "liberated" are only open to liberating in one direction, without really considering the psychological impact they would receive if their partner did the same thing to them as they offered, a funny situation which our lovable author almost found his way into.

For those rare individuals who are able to completely tolerate the openness of their partners to explore their sexual lives, this can actually be a very liberating (and rewarding) experience. I just think it isn't for everyone, and a good number of people who think this could work for them are mistaken about their own abilities to resist jealousy.

-Y

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[info]kissingdaylight
2008-05-25 12:40 am UTC (link)
If you look at it from a biological point of view, relationships are mostly stupid. We are not monogamous creatures by habit - which is part of why I think half of marriages are failing these days. I agree whole-heartedly that A relationship is a myth you create with each other. I'm not anti-relationship, but if you deny that there are times that you are tempted by a member of the opposite sex that you aren't in a relationship with you are flat out lying to yourself. (You may not feel this way yet, but you're a kid; just wait until you've been married 20 years.) "Honoring the myth" is staying true to the other person despite temptation, which is just like "athletes [who] can easily control their desires to eat a quart of ice cream."

And just to note, even "athletes" are tempted and their resolve breaks at times.

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[info]robyrt
2008-05-27 03:22 pm UTC (link)
But if you resist temptation, it's not a myth anymore, it's reality - you're making a conscious decision that the other person is enough and you don't need any more. At least that's the way I was thinking of it.

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